Thursday, November 02, 2006

Indian / Sidereal Astrology vs Western / Tropical Astrology

The differences arise in the way the zodiac is configured. Vedic astrology uses a sidereal (star-based) perspective and tropical astrology uses a seasonal focus.

In the Tropical system, the first degree of Aries is designated as the time of the vernal equinox in the Northern Hemisphere. The first degree of Aries is considered the beginning of the zodiac in both systems. However, the time that this degree actually coincided with the vernal equinox (some two thousand years ago) has long passed, due to a cosmic phenomenon known as the precession of the equinoxes. Equinox refers to the twice yearly times when the lengths of day and night are equal. At equinox, the sun is directly over the Earth's Equator. The vernal equinox, when spring begins in the Northern Hemisphere, occurs about March 21, when the Sun moves north across the celestial equator. The earth because of its oblate shape has a slight tilt and this causes a slight wobble leading to very minor backward movement. The precession of the equinoxes means that the four equinoctial points (spring, summer, autumn, and winter equinoxes) are constantly moving. They will rotate (backwards) through all 360 degrees and return to their starting point every 25,920 [solar] years. The precession rate is 50.2719 seconds /year rate of precession, from year 285. Ayanamsha is defined as the angle by which the sidereal ecliptic longitude of a celestial body is lesser than its tropical ecliptic longitude.

Tropical astrology is based on the idea that early astrologers defined the star signs according to the seasons in which the sun rose in them; it wishes to preserve the seasonal associations of those star signs by laying out new horoscopes against a first-millennium sky. For tropical astrologers therefore it is irrelevant that the solsticial points (tropics) have drifted from one constellation to another over the millennia, due to the precession of the equinoxes. The underlying philosophy remains unchanged in spite of precession, because it is based on the earth's (and therefore our) relationship to the sun, not to the stars.

  • The sidereal ecliptic longitude of a celestial body is its longitude on the ecliptic defined with respect to the "fixed" stars
  • The tropical ecliptic longitude of a celestial body is its longitude on the ecliptic defined with respect to the vernal equinox point.

Vedic Astrology is frequently called predictive astrology because of its ability to predict events in life. This ability is due to the refinement in the various systems of the science, and requires significant subtlety of understanding and perception on the part of the practitioner.

Vedic Astrology is based on the Sidereal Zodiac as opposed to the Vernal Zodiac of Western Astrology. Vedic/Sidereal Astrology uses the fixed observable stars in the sky whereas Western Astrology is more time based, determining the beginning of the zodiac as corresponding to the start of the Vernal Equinox. In the year 2002, the difference between the two systems is considered to be between 22 and 24 degrees and indicates the difference between the point of the vernal equinox and the first point of the constellation Aries.

We could say the consequence of this difference is a Vedic system which does not give the sun the same prominence that is has in the Western system. While acknowledging the Sun as a significator of the essence, or soul, Vedic Astrology, by following the Sidereal Zodiac gives more relative importance to the influence of the other planets as opposed to making the Sun the focal point.

In Vedic Astrology, the rising sign or ascendant is represented by the sign which is on the eastern horizon at the time of birth and considered to be the most important factor in prediction since it is the most frequently changing aspect of the chart – changing every two hours. It is the most pivotal point from which one considers everything, the context from which all of the planets are evaluated.

In Vedic Astrology more emphasis is placed on the Moon than on the Sun. The moon represents the mind which is seen as a very important factor and consequently is a major determining factor in how one interacts with the world.

Vedic Astrology is also sometimes called constellation astrology because it takes into account fixed stars called constellations. As a result, one considers not only the influence of the planets in a sign but also the subtle influences exercised by the constellations. This means that when a planet passes through a sign, it expresses the influence of the sign and is also tempered by the influence of the constellations of the sign. To practice predictive astrology, one must be able to go deep into the subtle influences of the constellations.

Vedic Astrology also employs mathematical divisions called Shadbalas and Shadvargas. They give the precise strength of each planet in a mathematical figure which enables one to understand the real potency of the planets.

Another system of delineation in Vedic Astrology is aspects known as “yogas”. This is a unique system for understanding the power of the associations between the planets in their placement from one another. When the planets have formed yogas, they create specific results which are powerful.

The Dasa System (the planetary cycles) is another feature of the Vedic system which indicates a period during which a planet’s influence becomes fully operative. This enables one to give precise predictions during a particular period.

Lastly, the great sages, in their compassionate nature, wanted to help mankind to reduce their miseries, and thus introduced a system of remedies or Upayas, for overcoming suffering from planetary afflictions. These remedies vary depending on the affliction and include japas, meditation, chanting of suitable mantras, fasting and worship.

So which is superior, Western or Indian Astrology? My personal answer is overwhelmingly the Indian or Vedic system of astrology. While western astrology has it merits; like for example it is slightly superior in delineating the character or the psychological make up of a person. If; for example; only the Sun Sign were to be taken to determine which astrology is superior; then western astrology will win. My Sun sign by western tropical zodiac is Virgo and I do show many of the Virgo qualities. According to vedic astrology my sun sign is Leo (because of precession of zodiac) which does not correctly reflect Leo or the lion like traits. However from a predictive point of view Hindu astrology is far superior. There is nothing of the equivalent of this in western astrology. Western astrology uses some transits of inner and outer planets to predict which is very inferior and incapable of giving correct predictions. If dasas (planetary periods) have to be used then we cannot use a tropical zodiac. Only a sidereal zodiac which takes into consideration the precession of the equinoxes (called Ayanamsha) will give superior results. No Indian astrologer will use a tropical zodiac for predictions. A few Indian astrologers at best use the outer planets Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. This is also unnecessary and is not sanctioned in our astrological texts. The vexed question of which ayanamsha to use is subject for another article which will be dealt with in a subsequent article.


Gramalkin Western Sidereal Astrologer said...


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"Addressing Astrological Misinformation"


Dearest Truth Seeker Disciples:

Addressing, responding to the continual unending stream of astrological misinformation is a task too mammoth to undertake. Publishing correct data is a much more realistic effort. As the old man always said “this is real life school one either gets it or not”. It is like the Porsche guy trying to explain the difference to the Camaro guy - sometimes...they get it.

Of the most common astrologer errors is incomplete work also the accuracy of the event data. This is compounded by the fact that few astrologers even know what complete work is. The horoscope is a scientific document and must be done accurately with the correct documentation to prove the case. Many scenarios require I.D. and all manner of data, professional astrology requires complete and accurate I.D. and coordinates. The more complete and accurate the data the more complete and accurate the reading.

Most astrologers are theorists with zero provable ground of being application with which to sort the truth and fallacies out of the multitude of astrological commentary. One can still hear the old man now “self-taught self-styled half-baked authority read a book on Zen and think their Buddha”. Read some astrology material Harry said this Billy Bob wrote that call that research then start talking and writing.

This results in mass wandering about psychic guessing grasping at straws using the law of substitution trying to find symbology for occurring events. Next thing you know their talking you how the right ascension of the helical rising of the left handed moon node was EXACTLY parin the mundo midpoint between their Mars and Venus - (see, see its right there!!!).

Empirical research is setting up COMPLETE FILES for thousands of cases in an absolute proof ground of being such as money, births, deaths, accidents to test each of the theories. Sally Sue will say “oh I wasn’t depressed last Tuesday” however either you have the money or they have the money. “If it doesn't work at the track it doesn't work in your daily life” Mazurek.

Example - Some astrologer wrote a piece assessing the 75 year career of some monkey (an actor) biased on a singular rising angular configuration with a hundred year old turn of the century 10 am birth time which tells us that one is ready for the big therapy in the sky.

An even hour birth time from any era much less one from the beginning of the twentieth century is most certainly a round off if not an out right guess. Therefore any speculation about angularity is just that. Delineate the horoscope chart as a whole in the context of a complete file. One has a better chance of getting the higher self-manifestation from a rising planet in a well aspected horoscope than in a negatively aspected chart, sun aspects effect appearance and so forth et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

It is very helpful to have a realistic understanding of the Intrinsic Value of the Planets and where and when to apply them. The one word Intrinsic Value of the Planets and therefore the Signs delineation.

Sun = Spirit; Moon = Soul; Mercury = Intellect; Venus = Love; Mars = Sex; Jupiter = Win; Saturn = Loose; Uranus = Intuition; Neptune = Imagination; Pluto = Death.

The best advice I have for you is to take my best advice.
Read and heed every word of the material on This will provide one an accurate rendition of the secret of the cosmos / the meaning of life / enlightenment, how to read / predict it and what to do about it. Each article must be composed, as though it is the only Gramalkin article the reader will ever see. Therefore a certain amount of duplication of information occurs as a necessity of stating the case.

The Following Items Have Z E R O Relevant Delineation.

Asteroids; Comets; Deacons; Part of Fortune; Moon Nodes; Geocentric & Heliocentric; Harmonics; Parallels; Parin; Celestial Latitude etc.; Hierarchical Rulers; Exaltation; Dignity & Fall; Mutual Reception; Detriment; Tropical Astrology; Tropical natal 12 house system of delineation & House Rulers; Retrograde is bad; Aspects being good or bad by nature; Using first event charts as a natal to predict events; The Triplicities form of the elements - Fire, Earth, Air, Water in order around the Zodiac; The cusps, such as being on the Aries/Taurus cusp; Midpoints Between Planets or between planets and angles; Natal, Progressed or Cyclic Horoscopes done for the place of residence rather than the place of birth. Almost all data about planetary orbs; Dealing with inner-personal relationships the inner-aspects between charts are more important than supposed harmonious and inharmonious signs and such; Other items will be added to this list as they come to mind.

Do horoscopes for the location of birth in Sidereal Zodiacal Longitude Ecliptic with the fixed star Spica at 29 Virgo 6’:5” - full birth Name, Date, Time, Place, Race, Gender - Geographic, Campanus Table of Houses, Octoscope and East Point Angles, Lunar Mansions, Major Fixed Star Aspects and Constellation Breaks. The complete file is The Natal; Secondary Progressed Planets and Primary Angles; Secondary Natal Quotidian (SNQ); Solar Return, Monthly Solar Return, Lunar Return and their daily Progressed Main Angles and the Event Chart inner-aspected with the Transits and major Fixed Stars to all. The natal with two a year, two a month and four a day plus an event chart done for the location of event inner-aspected. The repeated pattern of illuminated angularity being the most important factor. One copy of each chart by its self and one copy of each horoscope interaspected.

So far invariably once one views the correctly done complete file with the three delineation techniques (Natal, Predictive, Progressed) to see what actually happened the answer becomes very obvious and major events are so predominant they can not be missed - every time.

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